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and why not vote someone who acts a little shifty at least? and why not vote someone who acts a little shifty at least? 
\_O_/ and why not vote someone who acts a little shifty at least? 
to be eliminated d1
to be eliminated d1 to be eliminated d1 
Don’t leave us both in final 3 again lmao
Getting back to your message outside of the missunderstanding;
What do you mean by "Passiveness"?
The last part is fair i suppose, if you read into this as TMI, sure. As I said, it's a weak reason to TL/TR for.
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Day 1 Votecount 8
zade_vkrigds: 3 - SaltiestCactus , deformedavocado , defaultcba
[2;32mjaxl.[0m: 4 - flamesss_ , gummybeartjebeertjeenhuub , zade_vkrigds , survivtuber
deformedavocado: 1 - [2;32mdashgull [0m
flamesss_: 2 - [2;32mjaxl.[0m , thatotherobjectshowguy
gummybeartjebeertjeenhuub: 1 - lunexia
Abstaining: 2 - hemorrhoid_ointment_cream , nd___ 
Time to do it fr fr now
Jax was my top TR from D1
Default is probably town, I can vibe w/ him
Object I have somewhat of a null read on, leaning town slightly but could swing depending on how my current reads go.
Flames I currently associate with 2 players, gummy which I have openly shared and someone else which I am not going to share atm, but its very possible this isn't the exact team which it'd have to be for this to make sense. I don't think flames is likely to be mafia.
Survivtuber has very little presence imo (as i mentioned earlier) I can see him being newb!maf, but at the same time, he could also just be new to the game in general, its hard to make out, leaning maf but could be town Hence why I'm voting him, yknow.
Gummybear I think has mafia equity but maybe im blinded by him questioning my D1 play (seemingly not understanding what I was doing one bit) but uh yeah, considering i am going to tell you what I think abt zade lower down, there's that, he also hopped onto jax, which i disagree with, same with flames, both of them are a possible pair to me because of that and the fact they keep bouncing off of each other, but this could be due to them just knowing each other well enough.
Deformed Avocado i lean town rn.
Emo I currently have no opinion on ^---^
Noah same as Emo idt I have seen him much
CK was a scumread of mine from D1, fuck if I know why he's dead now
SaltiestCactus, no opinion :)
Lunexia, uhhh
Zade is PR or Mafia, i feel her posts are nervous to a degree that its eerly unsettling me.
Ok
Jax was my top TR from D1
Default is probably town, I can vibe w/ him
Object I have somewhat of a null read on, leaning town slightly but could swing depending on how my current reads go.
Flames I currently associate with 2 players, gummy which I have openly shared and someone else which I am not going to share atm, but its very possible this isn't the exact team which it'd have to be for this to make sense. I don't think flames is likely to be mafia.
Survivtuber has very little presence imo (as i mentioned earlier) I can see him being newb!maf, but at the same time, he could also just be new to the game in general, its hard to make out, leaning maf but could be town Hence why I'm voting him, yknow.
Gummybear I think has mafia equity but maybe im blinded by him questioning my D1 play (seemingly not understanding what I was doing one bit) but uh yeah, considering i am going to tell you what I think abt zade lower down, there's that, he also hopped onto jax, which i disagree with, same with flames, both of them are a possible pair to me because of that and the fact they keep bouncing off of each other, but this could be due to them just knowing each other well enough.
Deformed Avocado i lean town rn.
Emo I currently have no opinion on ^---^
Noah same as Emo idt I have seen him much
CK was a scumread of mine from D1, fuck if I know why he's dead now
SaltiestCactus, no opinion :)
Lunexia, uhhh
Zade is PR or Mafia, i feel her posts are nervous to a degree that its eerly unsettling me.
Ok 
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(I'm not scum tho, it's just funny) u can always remove\_O_/ idk this is my 2nd game ive ectually participated in @Zade i choose you to be the elimination for today, what is your plea
also if CK flips mafia then Zade is prolly mafia too
She started off with a really off entrance imo, joining the thread on defense. Sure I pinged her about it but her first actions when joining the game were scrolling through the chat and specifically replying to all messages which were accusatory towards her early on into the game.
Who does that as their first thing they do when starting to play
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This kinda sets the tone for things to come going forward;
NGL I don't care much but its just pretty defensive.
why does it say ck is dashgull in the votes post which is just funny to me to point out as scummy.
](https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1386207324472999936/1386888343173988385)
Anything in particular? in resposne and Zade said;
IMO Jax has been pretty open w/ her reads on D1 see this post for example.
So even after I already didn't like Zade's posts, I didn't really come to agree w/ her opinions either.
We also have a lot of posts in a row which do not particularly express anything at all besides asking other people for their opinion; Zade generally doesn't express her opinion a lot, she likes asking others for theirs, gets very sad :c :c :c when someone says she's mafia, but never really gives her own thoughts for most of day 1.
See for example her posts here:
1, 2, 3, 4, 6 etc u can always remove 
That's not mutually exclusive!!!!
why does it say ck is dashgull in the votes post which is just funny to me to point out as scummy.
](https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1386207324472999936/1386888343173988385)
Anything in particular? in resposne and Zade said;
IMO Jax has been pretty open w/ her reads on D1 see this post for example.
So even after I already didn't like Zade's posts, I didn't really come to agree w/ her opinions either.
We also have a lot of posts in a row which do not particularly express anything at all besides asking other people for their opinion; Zade generally doesn't express her opinion a lot, she likes asking others for theirs, gets very sad :c :c :c when someone says she's mafia, but never really gives her own thoughts for most of day 1.
See for example her posts here:
1, 2, 3, 4, 6 etc 
@Zade i choose you to be the elimination for today, what is your plea
also if CK flips mafia then Zade is prolly mafia too
She started off with a really off entrance imo, joining the thread on defense. Sure I pinged her about it but her first actions when joining the game were scrolling through the chat and specifically replying to all messages which were accusatory towards her early on into the game.
Who does that as their first thing they do when starting to play
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This kinda sets the tone for things to come going forward;
NGL I don't care much but its just pretty defensive. @Zade i choose you to be the elimination for today, what is your plea
also if CK flips mafia then Zade is prolly mafia too
She started off with a really off entrance imo, joining the thread on defense. Sure I pinged her about it but her first actions when joining the game were scrolling through the chat and specifically replying to all messages which were accusatory towards her early on into the game.
Who does that as their first thing they do when starting to play
--
This kinda sets the tone for things to come going forward;
NGL I don't care much but its just pretty defensive. 
4. Why is that scummy lol, I was serious (Ck Dashgull thingy)
5. I didn't even know Noah scumread me cuz I don't remember anything in this game hshsa, okay I click the link now. Oh he's the guy who mentioned my name in number 2., I didn't remember his name mb 
. My read on Noah was from backreading daystart, then I kinda just stopped cuz I was distracted with the people in the chat. Okay now I lost the post. Okay I'm back to the post.
6. I was told to iso Jax and Lune, I saw the post from Jax, so I made a case(?) cuz I alr didn't like Jax from a gutread
7. I'm not clicking those numbered links but I prob know what it is cuz context. But yea, I was busy and couldn't lock in, so I was just in the chat. Ik I'm playing kinda similarly to ma100 where I was scum but like, it's similar in the way that I'm inactive yanno
I feel like this post will get scumread more but wtv
4. Why is that scummy lol, I was serious (Ck Dashgull thingy)
5. I didn't even know Noah scumread me cuz I don't remember anything in this game hshsa, okay I click the link now. Oh he's the guy who mentioned my name in number 2., I didn't remember his name mb . My read on Noah was from backreading daystart, then I kinda just stopped cuz I was distracted with the people in the chat. Okay now I lost the post. Okay I'm back to the post.
6. I was told to iso Jax and Lune, I saw the post from Jax, so I made a case(?) cuz I alr didn't like Jax from a gutread
7. I'm not clicking those numbered links but I prob know what it is cuz context. But yea, I was busy and couldn't lock in, so I was just in the chat. Ik I'm playing kinda similarly to ma100 where I was scum but like, it's similar in the way that I'm inactive yanno
I feel like this post will get scumread more but wtv 
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Can you update your readlist with everyone on it? You don't have to put explanations but you can if you want
vibes vibes 
. SLs were just me and Ck if I'm not misremembering. Kill your scumreads for towncred (still kinda think Ck kill was a pr hunt tho)
Object somehow ignored the active people when making his read, didn't read me too, kinda weird since I'm supposed to be the "most talked about player" or something
Lune the sussiest sus of all the sus and I'm not gonna elaborate but ig you'll find out soon
If you want a fourth, maybe one in Flames/Gummy pocketing the other idk
. SLs were just me and Ck if I'm not misremembering. Kill your scumreads for towncred (still kinda think Ck kill was a pr hunt tho)
Object somehow ignored the active people when making his read, didn't read me too, kinda weird since I'm supposed to be the "most talked about player" or something
Lune the sussiest sus of all the sus and I'm not gonna elaborate but ig you'll find out soon
If you want a fourth, maybe one in Flames/Gummy pocketing the other idk 
beats for rainy daysDay 1 Votecount 8
zade_vkrigds: 3 - SaltiestCactus , deformedavocado , defaultcba
[2;32mjaxl.[0m: 4 - flamesss_ , gummybeartjebeertjeenhuub , zade_vkrigds , survivtuber
deformedavocado: 1 - [2;32mdashgull [0m
flamesss_: 2 - [2;32mjaxl.[0m , thatotherobjectshowguy
gummybeartjebeertjeenhuub: 1 - lunexia
Abstaining: 2 - hemorrhoid_ointment_cream , nd___ 
Darn me and my willingness to share my thoughts and yes tuber would also be good to have thoughts of asap
Anyway, moving on
Not every lylo is the same. If its a lylo with 7 or 5 players, that's different to a lylo with just 3.
Cause with 7 or 5 (3/2 living mafia) it means there will be more lylo days that follow. Anyway, voting a townie as a townie will always mean that the game immediately ends in a mafia win.
The most common strategy in lylo is what is called crossing.
When crossing, the people in lylo deduce the two players which they think are the most suspicious. You then make those two players vote each other, if the game ends, welp, rip, both were town, but considering they were the two main susses in the day where you cant be wrong, the odds of you losing by voting one of them were high anyway.
So just make them cross, see what happens, odds are the game continues on because at least one is mafia.
Crossing is very effective in a 1v2 scenario but also in a 2v3 or 3v4 scenario it is probably going to be a strong strategy.
Either way its best for the town to have the players who are generally trusted, and still alive, vote last, what good does it do to have them call their shot, and then be wrong?
Everyone knew that this player was town, and they have to decide on the one person they think is most likely maf and pray they're right, this means that instead of having 2 shots of being right by having the 2 sus players cross, its just 1 shot.
That's the logic.
Of course this can easily lead to a loss if the remaining mafia are deepwolfing, which is when they're generally trusted, but at that point, well, either you call the manipulation during the discussion on who should cross, or you just lose, and at that point, they just played really well.
Sometimes there's nothing you can do.
There are other strategies too, but crossing is definitely one of the most prolific.
I am not super experienced in lylo math and strategies though, i think mel, cait, sam and or luka would be better fits to give you more insights!
Cheers!
Anyway, moving on
Not every lylo is the same. If its a lylo with 7 or 5 players, that's different to a lylo with just 3.
Cause with 7 or 5 (3/2 living mafia) it means there will be more lylo days that follow. Anyway, voting a townie as a townie will always mean that the game immediately ends in a mafia win.
The most common strategy in lylo is what is called crossing.
When crossing, the people in lylo deduce the two players which they think are the most suspicious. You then make those two players vote each other, if the game ends, welp, rip, both were town, but considering they were the two main susses in the day where you cant be wrong, the odds of you losing by voting one of them were high anyway.
So just make them cross, see what happens, odds are the game continues on because at least one is mafia.
Crossing is very effective in a 1v2 scenario but also in a 2v3 or 3v4 scenario it is probably going to be a strong strategy.
Either way its best for the town to have the players who are generally trusted, and still alive, vote last, what good does it do to have them call their shot, and then be wrong?
Everyone knew that this player was town, and they have to decide on the one person they think is most likely maf and pray they're right, this means that instead of having 2 shots of being right by having the 2 sus players cross, its just 1 shot.
That's the logic.
Of course this can easily lead to a loss if the remaining mafia are deepwolfing, which is when they're generally trusted, but at that point, well, either you call the manipulation during the discussion on who should cross, or you just lose, and at that point, they just played really well.
Sometimes there's nothing you can do.
There are other strategies too, but crossing is definitely one of the most prolific.
I am not super experienced in lylo math and strategies though, i think mel, cait, sam and or luka would be better fits to give you more insights!
Cheers! 
I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. 
Day 1 Votecount 8
[2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m: 3 - SaltiestCactus , deformedavocado , [2;32mdefaultcba[0m
[2;32mjaxl.[0m: 4 - flamesss_ , gummybeartjebeertjeenhuub , [2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m , [2;36msurvivtuber[0m
deformedavocado: 1 - [2;32mdashgull[0m
flamesss_: 2 - [2;32mjaxl.[0m , thatotherobjectshowguy
gummybeartjebeertjeenhuub: 1 - lunexia
Abstaining: 2 - [2;32mhemorrhoid_ointment_cream[0m , nd___
Day 1 Votecount 8
[2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m: 3 - SaltiestCactus , deformedavocado , [2;32mdefaultcba[0m
[2;32mjaxl.[0m: 4 - [2;31mflamesss_[0m , [2;31mgummybeartjebeertjeenhuub[0m , [2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m , [2;36msurvivtuber[0m
deformedavocado: 1 - [2;32mdashgull [0m
[2;31mflamesss_[0m: 2 - [2;32mjaxl.[0m , [2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m
[2;31mgummybeartjebeertjeenhuub[0m: 1 - lunexia
Abstaining: 2 - [2;32mhemorrhoid_ointment_cream[0m , nd___
Flames & Gummy were the leading votes on Jax and essentially steered the misslynch D1.
Surviv was only on it accidentally.
Zade's missread was abused to make the wagon happen.
The Zade vote is either pure (only town) or 1 mafia if avocado.
Object was voting offwagon with jax on his scumpartner alongside the voted out player for cred.
I can see this being a fairly viable Day 1 for scum.
They set up an easy misslynch for later with this and get their more inexperienced player some credibility for later.
Day 2 Votecount 5
[2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m: 5 - [2;32mdefaultcba[0m , SaltiestCactus , [2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m , lunexia , deformedavocado
lunexia: 2 - [2;31mgummybeartjebeertjeenhuub[0m , [2;31mflamesss_[0m
[2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m: 3 - [2;36msurvivtuber[0m , [2;32mhemorrhoid_ointment_cream[0m , [2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m
Abstaining: 1 - nd___
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With 11 players, majority is 6 votes
Gummy & Flames voting offwagon today because they already secured a Zade misslynch off of their D1 push, they can take a backseat and afford going for someone not in contention so that they are not taking heat today.
Object votes on wagon today.
They essentially swap roles with this.
We are Confirmed to have a pure wagon on object (assuming surviv is jker). No mafia has voted object at this point. Neither EOD1 nor EOD2!
Day 3 Votecount 4
- Majority has been reached -
[2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m: 4 - lunexia , [2;32mhemorrhoid_ointment_cream[0m , [2;36msurvivtuber[0m , pixelpirate0050
[2;32mhemorrhoid_ointment_cream[0m: 5 - [2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m , [2;31mflamesss_[0m , SaltiestCactus , deformedavocado , [2;31mgummybeartjebeertjeenhuub [0m
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With 9 players, majority is 5 votes
OBJECT WAGON IS ONCE AGAIN PURE, if we assume pixel/Lune town (I know I'm town).
ALL MAFIA WERE ON EMO in this scumworld.
The more you look at this, the more reasonable this becomes. 
Day 2 Votecount 5
[2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m: 5 - [2;32mdefaultcba[0m , SaltiestCactus , [2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m , lunexia , deformedavocado
lunexia: 2 - [2;31mgummybeartjebeertjeenhuub[0m , [2;31mflamesss_[0m
[2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m: 3 - [2;36msurvivtuber[0m , [2;32mhemorrhoid_ointment_cream[0m , [2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m
Abstaining: 1 - nd___
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With 11 players, majority is 6 votesDay 2 Votecount 5
[2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m: 5 - [2;32mdefaultcba[0m , SaltiestCactus , [2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m , lunexia , deformedavocado
lunexia: 2 - [2;31mgummybeartjebeertjeenhuub[0m , [2;31mflamesss_[0m
[2;31mthatotherobjectshowguy[0m: 3 - [2;36msurvivtuber[0m , [2;32mhemorrhoid_ointment_cream[0m , [2;32mzade_vkrigds[0m
Abstaining: 1 - nd___
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With 11 players, majority is 6 votes 
I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. 
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1386207324472999936/1389971244366954577
Funnily enough, you don't pair the two, like, at all.
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1386207324472999936/1389971244366954577
Funnily enough, you don't pair the two, like, at all. I did type this out!
1 sec I did type this out!
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I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. I guess this depends on if ur reading me town but i think i did the best i can for u to read me town. Follow this if i die please. ♂️ 
You're solid my guy 
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it was true !
